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Episode Summary

I'm talking about the Maui Wild fires and the idiotic conspiracy theory that DEW weapons were used. This episode was a little bit emotional for me, because I've lived in Hawaii (Kaua'i) for 16 years.

I briefly talk about some of the grief I've felt in regards to the fire — the Kupuna (elderly) and keiki (children) passing away, the loss of peoples homes, loss of 200 years of culture/cultural artifacts, etc.

In this episode I mention how my girlfriend and I have been taking care of our elderly neighbor since about 2017. He's a 91 year old Hawaiian man that's originally from O'ahu.

Living in Hawaii you learn to embrace the local culture. Part of the local culture is we take care of each other. Especially the elderly.

He's personally given me a lot of purpose in helping him over the years. The most heart breaking thing to me personally during the Maui Wild fire ordeal is knowing a bunch of Kupuna perished in the fire. Knowing that people with dementia dying and being scared shitless is so incredibly heartbreaking.

Another issue that's arose from this situation is greedy land developers are trying to buy peoples land. They are preying on vulnerable and desparate people. Please sign this petition to prevent land grabs

Quotes We Loved

  • Conspiracy theorists vs problem solvers: "Conspiracy theorists look for problems while the rest of us have to find solutions. Who gives a shit? Let's say it was a direct energy weapon. I think it's bullshit, but let's say it was. Who gives a fucking shit? what are we gonna do about it? What are the solutions?"— Antonio 00:14:56- 00:15:19
  • Letting go of grief vs holding onto it: "if I stop feeling bad, then did I even care about that person? ... I'd never cared about."— Antonio 00:17:26 - 00:17:29
  • Conspiracy Theories and Fear: "I always knew that doing this podcast would potentially take me to some dark places in my past regarding conspiracy theories and how I constantly operated from a place of fear."— Antonio 00:01:47 - 00:01:51


Read podcast transcript

Antonio [00:00:00]:

In this episode of escaping the rabbit hole, I talked about the mild wai the Maui wildfires. I live on Kauai. I've lived out here for about 16 years, so I've, Hawaii has become my home. These fires really hit home. and it took a lot out of me emotionally thinking about every like, all the bad things that happened. Keep in mind that, I recorded this podcast a few days after the my, the wildfires initially happened.

Antonio [00:00:32]:

And I'm recording this intro, probably about 2 weeks after. So when

Antonio [00:00:37]:

you're listening to the podcast, you

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might hear me talking about

Antonio [00:00:39]:

all the, wildfires to happen 3 days ago or whatever. Keep in mind this is recorded. It was recorded a while ago.

Antonio [00:00:47]:

It just take me some time

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to get around to it. I've, been in kind of a funk.

Antonio [00:00:52]:

If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out.

voice over [00:00:57]:

Welcome to escaping the rabbit hole. Hosted by former conspiracy theorist, Antonio Perez, author of in conspiracy theorists. Antonio looks at conspiracy theories from multiple angles, such as how do conspiracy theorists impact their family and friends, how can they escape the grip of conspiracy theories? And why do they fall down the rabbit hole in the first place? You'll discover strategies to set clear boundaries with people Duck in dangerous conspiracy theories and improve your mental well-being. Here's your host, Antonio Perez.

Antonio [00:01:30]:

So I'm just recording this, podcast episode. I'm not sure if I'm actually gonna release this. I I always knew that. Doing this podcast would potentially take me take me to some dark places in my past in regards to conspiracy theories, how I constantly operated from a place of fear, operated from an external locus of for anybody that's aware external, locus of controls, where do you place your powers at the boogeyman on the outside, or is it or am I in control? Am I am I sitting in my own power as pretty much everybody listening to this is aware the the fires in Maui have decimated Lahaina. I live in Kauai. Thankfully, I'm not in Maui. It's been

Antonio [00:02:24]:

absolutely fucking depressing. Although I have no connection to Maui it

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just seeing families losing their loved ones, hearing stories of babies that

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it just the horrific stories.

Antonio [00:02:39]:

And then hearing stories of these predatory vultures trying to soup in and and buy people's land. It's just it's depressing. The past 2 days, it's been a lot of doom scrolling, looking on Facebook, looking on TikTok. I have a lot of magical thinking like, oh, what if this would have happened? What if they would have been better prepared. And and it sounds like the government out here just they bumbled it. I don't wanna throwing conspiracy theories out there, but it sounds like the, emergency, the civil defense system didn't operate. Anytime there's, like, hurricanes, the, like, blast sirens. I don't know why that didn't happen or if that would be if they would even had enough time. It sounds like they had, like, it sounds like

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it moved to black every, like, 30 seconds. Like, it it's depressing.

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And without fail, conspiracy theorists have jumped on it, claiming that it's DEW, the directed energy weapons, They'd only give people time to grieve just like with Sandy Hook when parents have their kids have died, have been slaughtered. They didn't even give time, giving those people a chance to grieve beef before they started spreading their bullshit. I guess this podcast for me is a little therapeutic to get it out.

Antonio [00:04:05]:

I need to do some work

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on myself to do some self hypnosis. I've got a couple good self hypnosis protocols for managing with, trauma and grief. It, but I think sometimes you have to, like, you have to let grief grief happen naturally.

Antonio [00:04:27]:

but it'll get to the point that if you don't take care of it,

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it can just manifest in other stuff. And I don't wanna take a risk of drinking. Again, I've been drinking, like, 7 or 8 years, 7 years, maybe. I don't wanna take the risk of smoking a cigarette.

Antonio [00:04:42]:

I'm good if I if I were

Antonio [00:04:44]:

to do that, oh, well, worse things have happened. Yeah. Sometimes life sucks for people. I'm solo lucky that I didn't lose anything.

Antonio [00:04:53]:

And one thing, when, me

Antonio [00:04:56]:

and my girlfriend, we've been helping our elderly neighbor out since 2017. Hawaiian guy. He first saw him walk into a store, a couple years ago. I asked if he needed to ride at the store. And then since then,

Antonio [00:05:11]:

we just we'd we'd help him with his doctor's appointments, pretty much everything. And during the pandemic, he came up every day. He I take him to the beach 3 days a week, and we we

Antonio [00:05:25]:

just spent time. Like, he became, like, an father out here in Hawaii called Hanai, h a n ai. He became my Hanai father. Like, he, definitely showed me a lot of love

Antonio [00:05:37]:

The other day, we were the day after

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the fire when everything when it everybody saw aftermath. maybe it's the next day. We we're driving out to a nursing home. He's in a nursing home now.

Antonio [00:05:49]:

We're driving out to a nursing home, and we thought about alpha people that couldn't make it out of the of the fires, all the the elderly, kids, babies, and just think about the sheer terror that people are are going through. This is gonna be a long and I don't wanna make it about me, but I just just feel so bad for anybody that's that's lost family lost everything. Think about all that culture, 200 years of that town, and it's and it's so disgusting watching people that have, like, no district they have no no disregard

Antonio [00:06:35]:

or dis disregarding of no humanity for some of those people. This is definitely the worst disaster I've been privy to, and I'm two 100 some miles away. But the good thing is Hawaii. everybody looks out for each other. There's the idea out here of Ohana. It's one of

Antonio [00:06:59]:

the reasons why we started taking care of our of our elderly neighbor. He he didn't have too much family here, and plus with his we didn't know at the time, but with memory issues, he wouldn't

Antonio [00:07:11]:

We didn't see the early signs of dementia. He might not have remembered if he had family here. I don't doesn't really have any family that could help him. so we just started helping him.

Antonio [00:07:23]:

And for me, like, I got so much joy out of that. He He's my best friend.

Antonio [00:07:29]:

Even before he broke his hip back, like, last November, so he had to take him to the hospital and go to a nursing home.

Antonio [00:07:34]:

But before that, I would You come up for dinner every day. I'd go down, take, walk

Antonio [00:07:39]:

them home, make sure they're safe, and I'd hug them because it it the older he got, the dementia is getting worse and worse, and we were worried about him falling over. And I'd go in his house. I'd sit down and talk

Antonio [00:07:51]:

to him. We just kinda shoot the shit. I'd hug him.

Antonio [00:07:54]:

I'm like, you're my best friend.

Antonio [00:07:55]:

He'd always reply with. You're my best friend too. That is probably gonna be one of my, saving grace is during all this that knowing that I almost have, like, a a bigger purpose that I have to take care of him. And don't get me wrong. He's he's in a phenomenal nursing home. They do a phenomenal job, but he still I still feel like I have to look after him. And even with all this happening now, it's bring up

Antonio [00:08:25]:

some more elements of shame, originally when he broke

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his hip. I just felt ashamed. Like, why did I do more

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at the hospital? Like, I

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should have fought more. I should have pushed back and so it had a really bad experience at the hospital. And And then those elements of shame are coming through with with this, with the fighters I'm thinking. Like, if I if I get mad if I'm mad at something in the past couple days.

Antonio [00:08:48]:

This is not related to the fires.

Antonio [00:08:50]:

And I'm like, oh my god. I feel like a bad person because every everybody's going through something bad in their life at some point. I'd have to use this as

Antonio [00:08:59]:

a reminder to work on myself, take a breath, and use some of my processes. If anybody's wants to know of some good ways to kind of manage their emotions,

Antonio [00:09:15]:

Tapping is it is what I've used before.

Antonio [00:09:18]:

If you go to, self care or trauma, dotcom, I think the website is. There's, it's a free resourcing

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tell you how to do it. There's a,

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a phone app for it. Another, good resource is WHOOP W00P. mental it's a mental contrasting tool. A lot a lot of self help folks decide.

Antonio [00:09:43]:

Just be positive. Just be positive. Just be positive.

Antonio [00:09:47]:

This tool works with identifying what your goal is, what that's gonna do for you, the emotional payoff you're gonna get, and then the the, inter ops will prevent you from getting it. And in regards to if you're dealing with, like, stress or or trauma. You're you could use that that WOP process WOP. And you can just find the app on either App Store or the Play Store. It's a free app for the Wish. It's there's they call it Wish. which is your desire or goal is to I guess you want it framed in the positive just in, like, 3 to 6 words I don't know what your personal should be, but you want it to be kind of realistic and maybe just be kind of my off, for example. It's actually, like, high time. Well, that's a good one for myself. Damn. That that was an eye opener. I'm gonna I'm actually gonna write down. That, that one is was my unconscious telling me

Antonio [00:10:48]:

I need to be kind to myself.

Antonio [00:10:50]:

I'm gonna jot that down so I don't forget. Play it around with the to figure out what you want to do. Another great resource, something that's helped me out immensely. has been core transformation. You can get the book on Amazon. if you if you have experience with meditation, self hypnosis, stuff like that.

Antonio [00:11:15]:

You can it'll be

Antonio [00:11:16]:

you should be able to guide yourself through the process. Keep in mind that it's a very trans inducing process. success. it's almost easier if you can find somebody to guide you through it. I've used that to overcome trauma of a neighbor that was killed when I was, like, 5 6. I've used it to, overcome, like, high amounts of anxiety during the, rub during 2020 election, not knowing, like, how the election was gonna go.

Antonio [00:11:45]:

And with that one, it it gave me peace that if Trump were

Antonio [00:11:49]:

to be nothing I can do about it. And so that that helped to get rid of the anxiety because it doesn't help to be in that high stress state 20 or 7. You can't do anything about it. Gonna focus on the inside. So if you want if you want help with with, that process, I can guide you through it. Or if you want, if you contact me, I can maybe I I might have a video that describes how to use a process on yourself. Let's see. There's that. And then there's another one. I started reading this book. No bad parts. by Richard Swartz. It's a therapeutic process called internal family systems. It's kinda similar to core transformation in the aspect that it It works under the premise that we have, like, inner inner parts of us. Like, how do I say it? Like, a sub personality. And these parts are not trying to hurt us, but they're trying to pres other try it's like self preservation. They're trying to maybe keep us safe, keep us comfortable, etcetera. that both those process are really good. I have more experience with corp transformation, but I'm also getting some experience with no bad part with the I'm sorry. Not no bad parts, but IFS internal family systems. Other good things to look into are, EMDR for trauma. I move it desensitization reprocessing. And one thing I would love to see for the residents of, Maui and Lahaina is if they could get a bunch of, would it, at the dust settles? This is gonna be a long road recovery. This is It's still fresh for everybody. It's only, like, 5, like, 5 days after 6 days. I would like to

Antonio [00:13:32]:

see them get a bunch of I'm sure they're gonna do it.

Antonio [00:13:35]:

Just get a bunch of, like, qualified therapists, crisis counselors. I'm sure they're gonna do it and you and use things like, especially EMDR to help them take the emotional sting out of it. Because this is It sucks all around. One thing I noticed, I think it

Antonio [00:13:54]:

was yesterday. That I don't know.

Antonio [00:13:57]:

It might have been yesterday, but I or maybe 2 days ago, I started with all this with all this that's happening. I'm just I'm just doom scrolling on Facebook and TikTok and just a lot of what if thinking, like, magical thinking, like, what if this would happen? What if the the, the tone had been more moist? What if the power lines didn't drop? Blah blah blah blah. it I started putting myself back into the external locus of control. Look, instead of focusing on the inside, but, okay, what can I what can I do now? What can we do to help people

Antonio [00:14:29]:

rebuild from this?

Antonio [00:14:32]:

And I don't know if I mentioned this earlier. I'm kind of brain foggy, but all these people that talk about, it's the direct energy weapons. Seriously, not now. It's this really it's this kinda hits home, and I'm not even that close to Maui. But it's everywhere around the islands, we have a pretty good sense of taking care of each other. Conspiracy theorist, look for problems while the rest of us have to find solutions. Who gives a shit? Let's say it was a direct energy weapon. I personally I'm gonna say 100%. I don't believe it. I think it's bullshit, but let's say it was. Who gives a fucking shit? what are we gonna do about it? What are the solutions? And I would like to propose the idea that The majority of people that are donating and are working to help rebuild do not believe it it's some kind of grand conspiracy theory. They're not stuck in the utts, the boogeyman. Oh, oh, there's nothing we can do. There's nothing we can do. So please rethink. If you are listening to this and you are conspiracy theorist, if you're on the fence, like, maybe it was a drop. Stop it. Ask yourself, how is this helping anybody It's preying on people. They have lost everything. They've lost their homes. they've lost their livelihood. They've lost everything. The only thing that a lot of these people that I assume I don't wanna speak for people because I'm not in that situation. Only thing they have is hopefully their Ojana. Hopefully, they have other people they can lean on. And like I said, Hawaii is strong. It just it just Boggles my mind that that town is completely gone, excited for maybe 1 or 2 buildings. I've been having this weird kind of trauma response. I don't wanna say this as almost I don't know if that's I'm not trying to make it about myself, but when I think about people losing their life. And then all their their pictures, culture, everything gone. Every possession, I get this weird response where I get kinda dizzy and sick a second. It's just this quick in incident bug flash of grief. So for me, I know that I need to work on myself. I need to do some kind of I need to use, maybe core transformation on myself. to stop that response from happening.

Antonio [00:17:13]:

But then there's the other token anytime if Let's say

Antonio [00:17:18]:

if you've lost somebody and you're going to grief and the sometimes there's that fear, like, well, if I if I stop crying. If I stop feeling bad, then did I even care about that person? So there's that w there's almost like part of me that's holding on to that. Like, I, like, I need to feel bad. Because if I don't feel bad, then it's like I'd never cared about. For anybody listening that wants to help there's a couple ways you can do. You can help people. if you go to go fund me dot com, there's a you just scroll down a little bit. There's a the list of verified go fund me. There's so many people that need help. Just they have absolutely nothing. Any amount of money can help. Another thing, there's, there's a very real concern that outside greedy investors are gonna try swooping up and buy and bait steal land from native Hawaiians. especially when they know that when they are in a in a high stress state, they're going through trauma grief, PTSD, they know that that's a perfect time for them to swoop in, which is absolutely fucking despicable. I don't know how anybody could ever think about something like that when people are are still mourning their dead and having to found their family members. If you're on my website, you'll see a link where there's a petition to help, prevent land grabs. If you're not my website, if you go to escaping the rabbit hole dot com forward slash landgrab, landgrab. That'll take you directly to that petition. Please sign that petition. there's people with generational families that are that are having a very real threat of having to leave this leave Maui because it's it's gotten getting so expensive out here, and people are obviously trying to already swoop their land up. I've already talked for way too much on this topic. Like I said, I don't know if I'm gonna publish this or if this is just a way to get all my stuff out. Be safe, everybody, and please don't spread dangerous conspiracy theories.

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Antonio Perez, author of Converting Conspiracy Theorists, is a former conspiracy theorist.  He helps friends and family members of conspiracy theorists to improve their mental and emotional health, and to set clear healthy boundaries with their conspiracy theory addicted loved ones.

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